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California, Here They Came

"“Figured it out.” So true, David!"
- D.J.
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Is saving really that hard? Nope, not for the great majority of Americans. 

"Marilyn,  I’d challenge anyone who would downvote your comment to tell me why. Family vacations are part of the fabric of family life and childhood memories. My first wife and I did the same as you, and the kids, now 50 and 45, still fondly remember those trips. That doesn’t mean vacations get carte blanc on cost, still, they are an important part of growing up. And uh-oh, you said 'spreadsheet'."
- DAN SMITH
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Shopping around – you versus the grocery store

"if saving money is a priority, maybe a Walmart trip once a month might be worth it. I’ve found their prices on cleaning products and packaged staples really much cheaper than the traditional supermarket I frequent."
- Marilyn Lavin
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For Richer, For Poorer: 37 Years of Compounding

"David, my daughter has a toaster that cost nearly $300. It's a vast, shiny chrome affair, bristling with more knobs and dials than any self-respecting bread-browner has any business having. The first time I tried to use the thing, I couldn't even work out how to get the bread near the elements."
- Mark Crothers
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The Vision, the Babe , Einstein and the Q

"Harold Tynes, Let me know the next time you go. I'll buy you a Boulevard KC Pils and we can talk Humble Dollar finance."
- mflack
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How Far Behind is the IRS?

"Thanks, but my Mom is not really worried about going to prison. I have told her so many times that the IRS is going to throw her in prison that she now understands I am joking. Rightly or wrongly, she has a lot of confidence in me that I will work this out."
- Larry Sayler
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Note to HD Writers and Contributors

"Welcome back to two of the HD old timers (like me). I hope to see more of them return. 🤞"
- David Lancaster
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Somebody Has to Win

HOW DO YOU COMPETE in an investment contest when you’re a firm believer that investors can’t consistently beat the market averages? That was my dilemma several years ago.

A school not far from where I taught was given money by an alumnus to endow the St. Louis Area Collegiate Investment Contest. All colleges and universities in the area are invited to participate in the competition, which is held regularly. Each is given a hypothetical $1 million and asked to select 20 value stocks. An outside investment firm oversees the contest. They “invest” $50,000 in each of the 20 stocks. Whoever’s portfolio is worth the most two years later wins $10,000—real dollars, that is.

How do we select the 20 stocks for our entry? When I explain the contest to students, I also discuss the evidence that most investors don’t outperform the market. I suggest we could tape the stock pages of The Wall Street Journal to the wall and literally throw darts at it. Several students like this option.

But instead, I distribute Value Line’s current list of 100 stocks most likely to outperform the stock market over the next year. To focus on value stocks, I take these 100 stocks deemed most likely to outperform, circle the 40 or so companies with the lowest price-earnings ratios and ask students to select stocks from this list.

Value Line Investment Survey, which is often available at larger libraries, evaluates approximately 1,700 stocks. Value Line gives each stock a timeliness rating from one to five, indicating its belief that the stock will outperform the market over the next year. My initial list for the students draws on those stocks rated one for timeliness.

Rating             Number of Stocks    Meaning

1                      100                             Most likely to outperform

2                      300

3                      900

4                      300

5                      100                             Least likely to outperform

Value Line has a full-page analysis of each of these 1,700 stocks. Each stock gets a full review every 13 weeks, which means each week it updates this detailed analysis for about 130 stocks. But each week, all 1,700 stocks are evaluated for timeliness.

Some 30 or 40 years ago, there were a few academic studies indicating that Value Line could outperform the market averages. I have seen no recent independent studies of Value Line. My guess is that any advantage Value Line might have had decades ago no longer exists.

While I don’t believe Value Line will outperform the market, it’s one way to narrow down the list of potential stocks. It’s definitely safer than letting college students throw darts in a classroom.

Six schools entered the first contest. We won, receiving $10,000 and an oversized check. I took the check to our next faculty meeting and bragged about our business students. Most faculty assumed I had superior stock-picking skills, and I did not disabuse them of that view. But in my heart, I firmly believed it was just luck.

Six years later, we won again. If six schools enter each year, we ought to win about every six years. I didn’t point out that obvious fact when I went to the faculty meeting with that oversized check.

The very next year, we won again. Did that indicate we had a winning method? No. If six schools enter, and if the winner is completely random, the chance of this year’s winner winning again next year is one out of six. While my method of picking stocks might be superior, I believe two wins in a row is simply a random occurrence.

Recently, the contest was modified. Instead of starting just once a year, it now starts every semester. The payoff for winning was reduced from $10,000 once a year to $5,000 each semester. The number of participating schools has dropped to just four or five, increasing our odds of winning each contest.

Although I'm now retired, our school continues to follow the above method. Over the years, we have won $35,000. We call it our slush fund. Our department has used that money for additional faculty enrichment opportunities, student awards, end-of-the-year catered dinners for graduates and their families, and a host of other good causes. Perhaps most important, our finance students have learned some important lessons about how the stock market works.

Larry Sayler is the only person with a Wharton MBA who also graduated from Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey’s Clown College. Earlier in his career, he served as CFO for three manufacturing and service organizations. For 16 years before his retirement, Larry taught accounting at a small Christian college in the Midwest. His brother Kenyon also writes for HumbleDollar. Check out Larry's earlier articles. [xyz-ihs snippet="Donate"]
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Treasury Tax Reporting

IF YOU HAVE a Money Market Fund (e.g. VUSXX, VMFXX), Treasury fund (e.g. SGOV), or any other Treasury ETF (e.g. VBIL), you need to know how to report it on your taxes correctly. If you don’t, you are overpaying on your state taxes unknowingly. 

How and why?

These funds hold U.S. Treasury Bills. Treasuries are exempt from state and local taxes. Of course, this only matters if you hold these funds in a taxable brokerage account, which most people do.

The broker sends you a 1099-DIV form, but it’s your responsibility to figure out how to report it on your taxes correctly. By the way, bad tax preparers can miss this sometimes, or if you self-prepare, this may be something you aren't aware of (I hope most of you reading HumbleDollar are familiar with this!)

This is one of those areas where the reporting rules are technically simple, but the execution is where people mess up. The IRS gets their share regardless (since interest is fully taxable at the federal level), but if you don’t adjust properly, your state will too, even when it shouldn’t.

The 1099-DIV doesn’t break out how much of the dividend was allocated to Treasuries. The software also wouldn’t know how much based on the 1099-DIV. This means that you generally have to figure out how to report it (or ensure your CPA does it correctly).

Now, the 1099-DIV will have a breakdown of every single stock/ETF you have, but you have to find out the percentage of a fund that holds Treasuries.

This percentage is not on your brokerage statement. It comes directly from the fund provider (Vanguard, iShares, Schwab, etc), usually buried in their “tax center” or “year-end tax supplement” pages.

Let me give you an actual example.

Say, in 2025, you received $5,000 of dividends from two funds.

Then, if you scroll down, you will see a “Detail Information” of your dividends:

Interest

We can see that $2,456.78 came from Vanguard Federal Money Market fund.

The entire $2,456.78 will be taxed at the federal level, but how do we figure out what’s taxed at the state level?

This is where the extra step comes is.

During the end of the year, the fund manager (e.g Vanguard for VMFXX) will post a “US government source income information” on their Tax page.

This report tells you what portion of the fund’s income is derived from U.S. government obligations (Treasuries), which is the key to the state tax exemption.

VMFXX

We can see that 66.61% of VMFXX holdings for the 2025 tax year were income derived from the U.S. government and, therefore, are not taxable at the state level.

So, we would take $2,456.78 * 0.6661 = $1,636. Of the total, $1,636 is derived from U.S. obligations, and you would only pay state taxes on the remaining ~$819.

That $2,456.78 is still fully taxable federally. This is strictly a state adjustment.

It’s also important to note that some states say "if less than 50% of the fund is from the U.S. government (like Treasury Bills), you can treat it as 0%.”

For example, California, Connecticut, and New York are some of these states. So, if the fund has only 35% coming from the Treasury, you shouldn’t even calculate the exempt amount for these states.

Now, if you buy Treasuries directly from TreasuryDirect, they will send you a 1099-INT, and you can just enter that information directly into the tax software. No extra calculations are needed. That’s because the income is already clearly identified as U.S. government interest, no allocation required.

So, how do you report that dividend interest calculation?

In most tax softwares, after entering the 1099-DIV, it will ask: "Did a portion of dividends came from a U.S. Government interest?'

So, you would just check it off/select and enter the amount from Treasuries ($1,636 in our example).

Behind the scenes, this flows into your state return as a subtraction or adjustment, depending on the state.

Some software might ask for the percentage of dividends that are state tax exempt. However, this is a bit tricky because you might receive other dividends in your brokerage account.

In that case, calculate the amount from the Treasury, say $1,636, and divide it by your total dividend amount (e.g. $5,000)

If you have someone do your taxes and you have some of these Money Market Funds or other Treasury ETFs, double-check your state tax return and see the amounts reported. This will save you some money. It's also not too late to amend your tax return if this was missed.

Specifically, look for a “U.S. government interest subtraction” or similarly labeled line item on your state return. If it’s zero and you held these funds, that’s a red flag.

If you live in a no tax state, this would not apply to you, but still good to know in case you move!

I hope you found this one valuable.

  Bogdan Sheremeta is a licensed CPA based in Illinois with experience at Deloitte and a Fortune 200 multinational.
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The great COLA debate-maybe not the expected solution.

"Richard: I agree with much of that, particularly your last sentence. Seems that should already be the case. Where I differ is that our pensions are partially funded by our employers, partially by mandatory deductions from our pay, and a very small portion, 1-2%, by the State, thus, from taxes. Most of us considered our mandatory deductions to be very much like taxes, and, of course, the portion our employers (school districts) paid was funded primarily through property taxes."
- Dave Melick
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Happy 50th!

"thanx to bogle and malkiel for helping millions of retail investors everyone should read their books"
- Kenneth Tobin
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California, Here They Came

"“Figured it out.” So true, David!"
- D.J.
Read more »

Is saving really that hard? Nope, not for the great majority of Americans. 

"Marilyn,  I’d challenge anyone who would downvote your comment to tell me why. Family vacations are part of the fabric of family life and childhood memories. My first wife and I did the same as you, and the kids, now 50 and 45, still fondly remember those trips. That doesn’t mean vacations get carte blanc on cost, still, they are an important part of growing up. And uh-oh, you said 'spreadsheet'."
- DAN SMITH
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Shopping around – you versus the grocery store

"if saving money is a priority, maybe a Walmart trip once a month might be worth it. I’ve found their prices on cleaning products and packaged staples really much cheaper than the traditional supermarket I frequent."
- Marilyn Lavin
Read more »

For Richer, For Poorer: 37 Years of Compounding

"David, my daughter has a toaster that cost nearly $300. It's a vast, shiny chrome affair, bristling with more knobs and dials than any self-respecting bread-browner has any business having. The first time I tried to use the thing, I couldn't even work out how to get the bread near the elements."
- Mark Crothers
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The Vision, the Babe , Einstein and the Q

"Harold Tynes, Let me know the next time you go. I'll buy you a Boulevard KC Pils and we can talk Humble Dollar finance."
- mflack
Read more »

How Far Behind is the IRS?

"Thanks, but my Mom is not really worried about going to prison. I have told her so many times that the IRS is going to throw her in prison that she now understands I am joking. Rightly or wrongly, she has a lot of confidence in me that I will work this out."
- Larry Sayler
Read more »

Note to HD Writers and Contributors

"Welcome back to two of the HD old timers (like me). I hope to see more of them return. 🤞"
- David Lancaster
Read more »

Somebody Has to Win

HOW DO YOU COMPETE in an investment contest when you’re a firm believer that investors can’t consistently beat the market averages? That was my dilemma several years ago.

A school not far from where I taught was given money by an alumnus to endow the St. Louis Area Collegiate Investment Contest. All colleges and universities in the area are invited to participate in the competition, which is held regularly. Each is given a hypothetical $1 million and asked to select 20 value stocks. An outside investment firm oversees the contest. They “invest” $50,000 in each of the 20 stocks. Whoever’s portfolio is worth the most two years later wins $10,000—real dollars, that is.

How do we select the 20 stocks for our entry? When I explain the contest to students, I also discuss the evidence that most investors don’t outperform the market. I suggest we could tape the stock pages of The Wall Street Journal to the wall and literally throw darts at it. Several students like this option.

But instead, I distribute Value Line’s current list of 100 stocks most likely to outperform the stock market over the next year. To focus on value stocks, I take these 100 stocks deemed most likely to outperform, circle the 40 or so companies with the lowest price-earnings ratios and ask students to select stocks from this list.

Value Line Investment Survey, which is often available at larger libraries, evaluates approximately 1,700 stocks. Value Line gives each stock a timeliness rating from one to five, indicating its belief that the stock will outperform the market over the next year. My initial list for the students draws on those stocks rated one for timeliness.

Rating             Number of Stocks    Meaning

1                      100                             Most likely to outperform

2                      300

3                      900

4                      300

5                      100                             Least likely to outperform

Value Line has a full-page analysis of each of these 1,700 stocks. Each stock gets a full review every 13 weeks, which means each week it updates this detailed analysis for about 130 stocks. But each week, all 1,700 stocks are evaluated for timeliness.

Some 30 or 40 years ago, there were a few academic studies indicating that Value Line could outperform the market averages. I have seen no recent independent studies of Value Line. My guess is that any advantage Value Line might have had decades ago no longer exists.

While I don’t believe Value Line will outperform the market, it’s one way to narrow down the list of potential stocks. It’s definitely safer than letting college students throw darts in a classroom.

Six schools entered the first contest. We won, receiving $10,000 and an oversized check. I took the check to our next faculty meeting and bragged about our business students. Most faculty assumed I had superior stock-picking skills, and I did not disabuse them of that view. But in my heart, I firmly believed it was just luck.

Six years later, we won again. If six schools enter each year, we ought to win about every six years. I didn’t point out that obvious fact when I went to the faculty meeting with that oversized check.

The very next year, we won again. Did that indicate we had a winning method? No. If six schools enter, and if the winner is completely random, the chance of this year’s winner winning again next year is one out of six. While my method of picking stocks might be superior, I believe two wins in a row is simply a random occurrence.

Recently, the contest was modified. Instead of starting just once a year, it now starts every semester. The payoff for winning was reduced from $10,000 once a year to $5,000 each semester. The number of participating schools has dropped to just four or five, increasing our odds of winning each contest.

Although I'm now retired, our school continues to follow the above method. Over the years, we have won $35,000. We call it our slush fund. Our department has used that money for additional faculty enrichment opportunities, student awards, end-of-the-year catered dinners for graduates and their families, and a host of other good causes. Perhaps most important, our finance students have learned some important lessons about how the stock market works.

Larry Sayler is the only person with a Wharton MBA who also graduated from Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey’s Clown College. Earlier in his career, he served as CFO for three manufacturing and service organizations. For 16 years before his retirement, Larry taught accounting at a small Christian college in the Midwest. His brother Kenyon also writes for HumbleDollar. Check out Larry's earlier articles. [xyz-ihs snippet="Donate"]
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Manifesto

NO. 70: AS WE decide how much debt to take on and how much money to save, we should ask ourselves a key question: Will our future self be happy with the choices we make today?

Truths

NO. 67: MOST MUTUAL funds are sector bets. Funds often aim for style purity, sticking with just one stock or bond market niche. To gauge whether a fund is any good, compare it to others in the same category. But to build a diversified portfolio, buy just one or two funds from any given category—and diversify with funds from other categories.

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NEGATIVE BONDS. When we buy bonds, we lend to others and receive interest in return. Borrowing can be seen as a negative bond: Others lend to us—and we pay them interest. Typically, the interest rate we pay on borrowed money is higher than the yield we can earn by buying bonds. The upshot: Paying down debt is often the smartest “bond” we can buy.

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NO. 2: WE FOCUS on today—and shortchange tomorrow. Our nomadic ancestors didn’t worry about the long term. Instead, they focused on surviving today, which meant consuming as much as they could whenever they could. Those instincts live on within us, driving our spending, saving and investing behavior—and causing long-term financial damage.

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Manifesto

NO. 70: AS WE decide how much debt to take on and how much money to save, we should ask ourselves a key question: Will our future self be happy with the choices we make today?

Spotlight: Abuse

Social Security Alert?

My mother received an email today from “Social Security Administration”  warning of “Important Changes to Access Your Social Security Account!”
It states that “soon you will no longer be able to sign into your online Social Security account using your username and password.” It goes on to say in the future, only a Login.gov or ID.me.account, and ends with a big button that says “Sign In to Your Account.”
I suspect this is bogus. Has anyone else received a similar email?

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A Simple Way to Avoid Phone Scams

I just read about an excellent script to use when one gets a call purporting to be from a financial institution that is, “every time a financial institution calls: “Where are you calling from? Thank you. I’m going to hang up and call back.”
Then go find the institution’s phone number (from a statement, the back of the credit card, or by typing in the URL of the website itself and finding it on the website;

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Avoiding Bad Guys

MONEY MANAGERS Raj Rajaratnam and Joel Greenblatt share a number of similarities. They’re almost exactly the same age. Both received business degrees from the University of Pennsylvania, and both started well-known hedge funds. But the similarities end there.
During the 10 years that Greenblatt operated his fund, Gotham Capital, it delivered returns averaging 50% a year, versus 10% for the S&P 500. Thanks to his success, Greenblatt retired from full-time work in 1994 at age 37.

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Elder Care—Not

I KEEP SEEING THEM—overly complicated, overly expensive investment portfolios. The most recent belonged to a widow in her 70s, with modest earned income, Social Security benefits and about $5,000 in taxable fund distributions for 2023. She was someone I helped during the recent tax-filing season, when I was volunteering at an AARP TaxAide site in Monmouth County, New Jersey.
Her portfolio held about a dozen mutual funds, most of which I’d never heard of.

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Lost Property

OUR COMMUNITY HAS a Facebook-like online forum called Nextdoor. I tend to ignore the posts, which usually involve things like items for sale and new restaurant openings. But a recent post caught my eye—because it was from the Montgomery County Recorder of Deeds.
The article said Pennsylvania’s Attorney General had initiated a lawsuit against a realty company for deceptive practices targeting elderly, low-income and minority homeowners. The realty company was offering a “Homeowner Benefit Program” that gives homeowners anywhere from $400 to $1,000 upfront to lock into a contract.

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Stop Bank Robbers

“YOUR CHECKING ACCOUNT balance is low.” It’s an alert none of us wants to receive, especially if we’ve just been paid. But that was the message that a friend—let’s call him Ron—got recently. A hacker had gained control of his account and started bleeding it dry.
Ron, it turns out, was lucky to have received that alert. Another friend—let’s call him Arthur—received no such alert when his account was also taken over by hackers this summer.

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Spotlight: Rao

Lessons you have learned from articles by Jonathan

While there are thousands who have been following Jonathan's columns and articles for decades, I started reading his articles only about a year and a half ago. His articles influenced me to change my investing behavior. Now I am focused only on broad market ETFs and not reacting to frequent market gyrations. I am sure many of you have learned much from him and made changes to how you think about investing. This goes beyond financial lessons. I have also learned a lot about how to cope with adversity from his recent articles after terminal diagnosis. He certainly has made a huge difference. I have read quite a few of his articles in HumbleDollar. It will be great to hear from those following him for many years to benefit from their perspectives. What lessons (financial and about life in general) have you learned and implemented from Jonathan's writings? - Sundar Mohan Rao
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Senior Care Crisis – Are we prepared?

The signs of this looming crisis are everywhere. Expensive home care, long term care and end of life care are going to be the biggest challenges facing baby boomers. There are over 69 million baby boomers, 21% of the US population, holding 50% of wealth. Unfortunately, most are unprepared to face this crisis. I find that in my retirement community, most have not investigated options to provide for such care and have shown little interest. They say they will handle it if and when they need it. Private equity and public companies are buying up nursing homes, hospices and assisted living facilities in record numbers as they see accelerating demand and pricing power that will sustain high profits. No wonder, most hospices now are for-profit. Along with rising costs, staffing shortages add to the crisis.  I saw this informative video on why nursing homes and hospices are so expensive in the US. It is an eye opener. There have been a number of very good articles/Forum questions on this subject, including CCRC's and long term care. We have heard about some strategies. Ultimately, the choices depend on individual circumstances. Money does greatly help, but you need support and companionship to navigate this tough end of life journey. It is important to set up a plan that covers multiple scenarios as it is not possible to predict which one will play out. I am investigating various options to make a plan so it is easier on us and our children when the time comes. I know some of you have gone through this, having supported parents and relatives. Some of you have made your choices already. Any advice you want to provide that will help us? What works and what doesn't?
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What should be our % cash allocation in investment portfolio?

The obvious answer is that it depends on your financial situation, age, net worth and risk tolerance. I am trying to decide on the right amount of cash I should hold. I found this through internet search on this topic: "According to the U.S. Trust Survey of Affluent Americans, investors with over $3 million in investable assets typically hold around 15% of their portfolios in cash and cash equivalents. However, the amount of cash an investor holds can vary depending on their age and net worth:   The Silent Generation Investors in this age group (ages 77 and up) tend to hold around 23% of their portfolio in cash.This is because they prioritize capital preservation and stability.   Millennials Younger high-net-worth Millennials tend to hold around 11% of their portfolio in cash. This is because they have a greater appetite for risk and growth. Here is a link that provides more details: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/guess-percentage-wealth-rich-keep-170015736.html   What has been your strategy to decide on what % cash to hold in your investment portfolio?  
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Perils of market downturns early in retirement 

  This month's AARP bulletin has an article titled "Make your Retirement savings last".     This article points out that retirement investing is for the longer term and one should not sweat short term market movements. It also points out that there is one short term danger, however, that we should all be aware of.     Let us assume when you retire, the stock market is doing very well. You take a lump sum pension payment or consolidate accounts into an IRA and fully invest your nest egg. If the market has a serious downturn lasting several years just after this transfer, it hurts the investment portfolio significantly more than if the downturn occurs 5 yrs or more down the road. Any market downturn early in retirement years is the most damaging event to be concerned about.     You may hesitate to invest if the market is making new highs every week. The legendary economist John Maynard Keynes said "the markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent". So the tendency is to get fully invested and get in on the action. I know several colleagues, who invested fully as soon as they retired only to see a serious downturn occur a few months later. If they had waited or invested over a period of time, they would have done better. Diversification alone may not have been enough.     Since market downturns cannot be predicted, how will you invest if you are retiring in the near future?     If you are a retiree, what has been your experience managing significant downturns?     Sundar Mohan Rao  
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How to protect your retirement savings from scammers?

I was reading this New York Times Article today titled: " How one man lost $740,000 to scammers targeting his retirement savings". See this link. This is a shocking reminder that scammers are getting more and more sophisticated. It is going to get worse. Criminals on the internet are increasingly going after Americans over 60 for their retirement savings. Potential losses last year were over $3.4 billion. Here's another link that's relevant. What steps should we take to protect our assets from scammers? What telltale signs will you look for,  to warn you of a potential scam in the making?
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Filling Our Cups

DURING A PROJECT meeting at my old employer, a member of our team was constantly raising questions without offering any solutions. Afterwards, the team leader commented, “This guy always thinks his cup is half empty. Nothing will ever satisfy him.” We’ve all known such people. Is there anything wrong with their attitude? It depends. My boss told me during my first week, “Never be satisfied with the status quo. Find ways to improve everything. That’s the only way you’ll move up in the organization.” Our civilization has made tremendous advances because people weren’t satisfied with the way things were. That can be a good thing—but only if it’s followed by steps to fix the problems identified. The “cup half-empty” group can be overly pessimistic. I’ve known several folks who always find fault with how things are. They may say they have high standards, but others might describe them as “very demanding” or “perfectionists.” Meanwhile, the “cup half-full” group can be overly optimistic. They’re the ones who say cheerfully, "Good morning. What a great day,” even when the sky is cloudy and the forecast isn’t good. They tend to be positive almost all the time. People tend to like optimists, and research shows optimists are typically happier than pessimists. I used to wonder if I was an optimist or a pessimist. I got my answer when visiting my son some years ago. He was driving with the gas tank less than 10% full. I was constantly pointing out that he needed to fill up. He thought I was stressing unnecessarily. In fact, I fill the gas tank every time it drops below the 50% mark. That may be overly cautious, but that’s me. One survey found that 46% of those age 65 and below are optimistic, versus 66% for those who…
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